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Old 01-11-2012, 12:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey everybody. Im having some trouble with 87 Sammy.

It's the 1.3 4cly as im sure you all know. But, Heres my problem. When I have The Crank, And Cam in Time with each other, And on the proper stroke with the timing notches, My rotor points 180* Away from the #1 Spark Plug. I am at a complete loss here. I have a Chiltons manual, Wich. isn't very much damn help in the first place. But, According to it, I've done everything correct, But, The rotor still faces away. And i've also read a few fourms on the issue, And they say that the Cam timing mark should face straight down. And when ithe cam faces staight down, And the Crank is in time At TDC, The rotor faces the #1 Spark Plug.... So, And suggestions?


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Hi man !! , Well if you have all set on engine , remove the screw from the ignition , remove cap pull it back the ignition move the rotor point #1 again , put back cap and adjusment screw ,, then use the timing light to finish .

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Other thing i do is remove the cover valve set de crank damper first then set cam in my case when i set the marks the #1 cilinders valves are pushing down its how do .. If u are 180 away u will have the valve close .. Sorry i can explain better my english its not well
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I know the Haynes manual is wrong. Looks like the Chilton is too. With your cam gear mark on the top, lined up with the notch in the timing cover back plate and the crank gear lined up with its proper mark, you'll be at #4 TDC compression stroke and the distributor rotor pointed to #4 plug wire. With the cam gear mark pointed in line (down) with the crank gear mark, your on the #1 TDC compression stroke and the rotor pointed to #1 plug wire. Hope this doesn't add to the confusion.
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Thats what i was going to do. I Just wasn't sure if i could get away with it. I just put the whole motor back together, And i really don't want to have to take it back apart to fix something i could have avoided ya know? But, Thank you for your input, And if you possibly could find a pic of an engine with the cam and crank lined up on the timing marks, And also what spark plug number the rotor is on, It would be like striking oil to me! Once again, Thanks!

@Azelgin So, Are you saying that with the Crank facing the timing mark, On the commpression stoke, At TDC the Cam SHOULD face down, And the rotor SHOULD be on #1. And if the Cam and Crank are both facing up on the timing marks, the Rotor should face to the #4 Spark plug? Because if thats the case, I have it right, But, I've never seen a motor like that before. It just seems like there is no way for that to work. Just seems like it'll be blowing up through the carb, And a waste of time. A pic is all i need, They really do say a THOUSAND words to me! Thanks man, Any help is better then none!
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I can take a pic , the problem is now i have a vitara 16v head , and the aligment is diferent but i try to find someting to help u out ..
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Yes, you have it right. These motors do not seem to follow the rules we are used to on American iron. I just finished putting a new timing belt and valve stem seals on mine, so, I'm sure of the positions of the cam and crank gears in relation to each other. I had all the rockers and rocker shafts off, so I was sure to keep things in order while I was doing it. Sorry I don't have a picture.
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Awesome, Then im in business! Ima fire her up wen i get home! Thanks ya'll! And don't worry bout the pics. Thanks again! I'da been messin with that thing for a week if you wouldn't of explained it
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Get your self a copy of the FSM and save yourself the hassles...
Note when No 4 cylinder TDC compression is No 1 cylinder TDC exhaust stroke so that may be the source of Haynes and Chilton's confusion...but burn them both. They sould have just copied the Suzuki FSM with new pics and saved us the Pain.
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