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Old 02-17-2009, 08:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm planning on doing my first engine conversion in the summer on a samurai. I've been completely frying my brain thinking about which engine would be best to go in.

I guess in my view its between the swift gti, 1.6 8v and 16v engines. I would guess that the 1.3 gti would lack the torque which is quite important.

I have heard that the 16v is very hard to put into the samurai, mainly because of the wiring loom, and I also heard that it isn't as reliable as the 8v for offroad use, however it has around 20hp more than it. Has anyone had personal experience of what the 16v is like?

I know that the 8v will be the easiest to put in the sammy, but is it the best choice?



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Old 02-17-2009, 09:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Also, if I were to put in the 16v, would this still fit the samurai mounts? What would have to be changed for the swap to work?

Thanks again
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hey the easiesr swap, is a 8 valve, there is a kit by several companys for thr swap, there is one eng. mt, on one side that will make the eng set strait wnen installed, and a few simple holes to drill and tap, there is two ways to use either starter. the easy part is on an 8 valve is that the 1.3 intake and every thing bolts on to the 8 valve, but the 1,6 head will not work, un less you use the wireing horness?, but i cant rember where i found it i think it was on zuks, but it can be dne, hope this helps, good luck mike
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Cheers for that Mike. After much debating i've opted to go with the 16v. Found a 95 engine nearby with all the loom, ecu and ancillaries for a good price.

If anyones got any helpful tips for this swap i'd be glad to hear em. Just gotta wait till some more money rolls in for the samurai now
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Cheers for that Mike. After much debating i've opted to go with the 16v. Found a 95 engine nearby with all the loom, ecu and ancillaries for a good price.

If anyones got any helpful tips for this swap i'd be glad to hear em. Just gotta wait till some more money rolls in for the samurai now

Damn had ya covered on the 8 valve with harness
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Cheers for that Mike. After much debating i've opted to go with the 16v. Found a 95 engine nearby with all the loom, ecu and ancillaries for a good price.

If anyones got any helpful tips for this swap i'd be glad to hear em. Just gotta wait till some more money rolls in for the samurai now
The 16v is gonna take a little harness work when you go to mate the 16v engine/ecu harness with the Samurai harness. If you are good with wiring schematics and can weed the harnesses yourself all the better, But the last one I did was easier when I got the prepped harness from Welcome to the Trail Tough Products
Actually, I got the whole works from them. It took two nights after work in the garage... almost a no-brainer following their instructions. Here is the article for that install.
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Old 02-19-2009, 07:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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all the 16v will take a little more work. it will definitely be worth it. the power is SUPERIOR to the 8v. the 8v basically feels like a tuned 1.3. you can really feel a difference with the 16v. i mean REALLY feel a difference.
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I have a 1600cc 16-valve conversion recently completed on a 1986 Samurai, and can confirm that after all the minor modifications are complete, it's a nice engine. You can definitely feel a difference in more power. I have a 1995 Geo Tracker motor installed, (complete w/ CALIF smog cert), some of the obstacles encountered:
(1) the 1600cc motor is taller than the 1300cc, different motor mounts required.
(2) starter needs to come from a 1600cc
(3) transmission adapter plate (you already knew that ..)
(4) Fuel injection ECM wiring harness needed from a donor Sidekick/Tracker

If you're browsing thru wrecking yards looking for your 1600cc donor vehicle, look to see if you can find one with a usable power steering pump, A/C compressor, and alternator. All these components are good additions for your new engine, the power steering is a particularly nice upgrade for the samurai, especially if you have oversize tires installed.

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Old 02-20-2009, 12:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks for the feedback fella's.

Billjohn, those kits look pretty handy, can't seem to open the link to the article though - asks for some password? Anyways, turns out my brothers owed a favour by an experienced mechanic who's good with the electrics, so looks like I might be covered as far as the loom goes. Not sure if anyone sells those kits over here in the UK either.

Yeah i've seen that the 1.6 is taller, heard of people adding an inch or 2 body lift to overcome this? Which would be more practical between doing this and changing the mounts?

The power steering will deffinately be something to look into later on. On a pretty tight budget though for now so might just have to get down the gym some more


Anyways, it's good to hear all the positive comments about the conversion, can't wait to get it all rolling now. Just landed a new job which should help it along

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