Engine won't fire after repainting Samurai.

[dmce]

did you disconnect and refit any earth connectors or screws/bolts? i suspect it is just something small that you might have just over looked. check the eart points with an ohm meter/end of wire terminal to earth point away from where it is attached to. good luck rember most things that stop cars as small little s@&*s.

[KyleKoehler]

Checked things again last night (before pulling off parts for testing).

Not getting a spark OUTof the ignition coil.

I am getting something going INTOthe ignition coil... but not sure if the two wires going in are giving me the right thing. Both look constant but I think the meter I am using is not picking up the pulse on the one.

My coil is NOTthe cone topped can like show in the post above.

I am sending my Ignition Module, ECM and Ignition Coil in for testing at Hawke Strictly Suzuki. I am hoping he finds something. Seems like a good guy over the phone.

Being that this Samurai had a 91 1.3 liter and now has 93 tracker engine there are a lot of wires that are not connected to things. Most I have looked over in the last 9 months and recognize as ones that shouldn't be connected to anything.

The suggestion about fuel filters and neutral switch were good but are a non-issue since there is no spark coming out of the coil.

Only thing I am not testing is the pickup coil inside the distributor. I am assuming (and possibly wrong) that since the ignition coil is not sending out a spark... I should go back to something before the distributor. Does that sound right???

[mule]

sounds like the problem that i have (seeing that it isnt resolved yet). and it wasnt the coil....well let me restate, according to the wiring diagram below the coil is a "igniter" . and the igniter is bad. well auto zone knows nothing of said igniter






if you cant read captions - red is coil. light blue is igniter located below/underneath coil.

[KyleKoehler]

Autozone has that part listed as Part Number JA1111 which it calls the Control Module-Ignition. It is $279.99 and comes with a life time warranty.

NAPA has same part and when I called they gave me a price of $449!!!! I don't know if that included a lifetime warranty but I hope for that they come out and put me around in my car if it fails to start!!!!!

I have sent the Ignition Control Module (Ignitor as you call it)... the Ignition Coil (in red) and the ECM board from under the dash out to Hawk Strictly Suzuki for testing.

Anyone ever deal with them before. They seem to know what they are talking about.

Only other thing I have not checked was the Pickup Coil inside the distributor. But since I wasn't getting spark out of Ignition Coil... I assumed that problem was BEFORE the distributor.

Thanks for the picture and hope the JA1111 helps fix your problem. At this point I am resigned to the fact that this fix is going to cost me $$$$$ if it's the ECM ($300) OR the Ignition Module ($279) or the Coil ($108) or the Pickup Coil ($179).

[KyleKoehler]

Mule... what is the big blue box to the right that is replacing the coil on your engine???

[mule]

Originally Posted by KyleKoehler

Mule... what is the big blue box to the right that is replacing the coil on your engine???

that is my big fancy coil...that has crapped out. let me dig a little and i will link to a thread on another board that i have opened up to ideas.

also here is a link to a wiring diagram for the EFI sami

Ack's FAQ: Your 4X4 Portal To All Things Suzuki/Geo

[mule]

electrical (coil) gremlins


here is the link to my thread over in off-road.com


also i forgot, but i know that if your computer is toasted, that there is a company that refurbishes your computer for like $40....compared to the $300 for a new one. just a thought.

[KyleKoehler]

Your link made me feel better... it looks like you have a mess there.

It urks me too that I can buy a set of Eagle Alloy wheels for my car for $329 but Napa want $449 for the little ignition module that sits behind the coil. That makes gas for $4/gallons sound like a deal.

NAPA and Autozone listen up... Screwing your customers doesn't make me want to buy small $19.95 items at your stores.

I am putting my trust in Hawk Strictly Suzuki right now. I just sent them (according to NAPA prices) about $1000.00 worth of electronic components off my Suzuki.

If I get this car working I will post some pictures of one cherry samurai. Right now it's just a pig with lipstick one until it is running again.

[86toad]

I have the feeling that the ignition module in the distributor will test bad. I have found that they rarely fail, unless the key is left on without the engine running. If that happens they appear to have a 33% chance of failure depending on the position of the reluctor. I have had 2 failures, both times with the key left accidentally on for a period of time. I am taking one apart right now to hope to find the cause of the failure, but am not optomistic about possible repair.

[KyleKoehler]

The failure of the ignition module sounds very interesting.

Mainly because I think I might have done that when putting the car back together.

You are the second person to suggest that (about the ignition being left on).

I sent off everything but that to be tested (crud!). I sent the ECM. The ignition control module (behind the coil) and the actual coil.

Now I am anxious to hear what they say. Autozone has the internal ignition module for $179 and at this point if that is it I will be thankful I am not forking out a lot more than that.

Thanks for your input.