Livin W/o The Abs - Page 2

shishcabobers · 04-21-2006, 01:36 AM

Well for me I really dont care about locking my brakes in a stright line. I already know you should pump if your going in a stright line. But how bout turning i dont think pumping brakes would be the best. I mean im not sure i just want to know if theres any tips of learning how to modulate the brake pedal so i dont lock up. It's because when im touge-ing i dont wanna lock up on my brakes and crash into the guard rail or fly off a cliff. lol

jurupa · 04-21-2006, 02:36 AM

As far as braking in turns, use the turn to brake. What I mean by this is don't gas the car in a turn and force your self to not take the fastest line out of the turn.

kinkyllama · 04-21-2006, 05:46 AM

Untill you have many track events under your belts its recommended that you always brake into a straight line. Personally even if you have alot of experiance on the track I dont think are car benifits from braking into a corner stock. . . its just too unstable

shishcabobers · 04-21-2006, 11:47 AM

I basically trail brake, but yeah i agree with you kinky maybe if i were able to go to a track day or auto x i would be able to see more of my cars limits.

rj-copeland · 04-22-2006, 06:59 AM

trying to trail break with the wifes Reno gets me a little nervous. The suspension is so soft and the tires suck balls. It's like I can feel the tire starting to fold. Now in the SRT.... hehe... lots of fun. Especially after the suspension upgrades.

As stated before it's best for most stock cars and the average person to simply threshold break into a straight line before entering the corner. Somebody that has been doing threshold breaking long enough can get damn near good enough to even stop quicker than ABS will on the same car.

By pumping your breaks your actually taking longer to stop your car than if you where to threshold break. There use to be a CD that illustraded(sp?) vehicle dynamic, breaking and turning. It was like $10 at the time. Pretty informative for the beginner who has never taken any driving course. See if you can still find it shishky and get it.

EC Transplant · 04-22-2006, 05:34 PM

I've been to a BMW performance driving school back in college with a friend before I was into cars at all. I'll tell you what I know, is that based on my experience, even all the experience I've had with auto-x, is that no human driver, pro or not, can stop faster than an ABS equipped vehicle. The best pro driver can pump the brakes on their car up to five times a second, while as the median ABS system can pump your brakes upwards of 15-20 pulses per second. That's not even getting into 4-channel ABS where it will pump at differing rates per wheel depending on which wheel is locking up faster. This was technology back in 1998.

Fast forward to today and my auto-x experience with the Reno so far, and it takes a fair bit of braking before you lock up the wheels. The only time I've done it in the five events I've been to so far is by trying to really late apex a turn and I just momentarily locked up the inside front tire, and I mean just a split second. When that happens, which seems to be the question for most people here, just let off the pressure on the brakes a bit, and STRAIGHTEN the wheel slightly, then you can get the car back in line.

It probably took me longer to explain that than it is to actually do it in real life, not that I want you all to practice this out on the street. But then, these are things that you can learn on an auto-x course or any closed circuit.

shishcabobers · 04-23-2006, 02:48 AM

Yea im planning to go for auto x this summer.

ShadowDog · 04-23-2006, 02:52 AM

There's no ABS on the Optra5; however, it would be fine with me if it had it. I've driven multiple vehicles in multiple classes and weight capacities, and some vehicles are simply better off with it. It's not every day you see a flat-bed diesel one-ton towing a flat-deck with a John Deere commercial tractor coming to a smooth stop with lousy threshold braking alone. Trust me, ABS has its place.

shishcabobers · 04-23-2006, 10:24 AM

Unless you takumi and you have the master braking foot and is sensitive when braking because he's w/o abs lol (initial D fans ;p) also if im not right isn't abs so that when your driving and you brake hard and it keeps it from not letting any particular brake lock up and you go into a spin? I mean its not suppose to help you brake faster its so that you have control over the car. I mean racecars of today dont have abs. JGTC cars dont have abs. Tsukaba time attack cars dont have abs. NASCARS dont have abs. If i remember correctly most race cars aren't allowed to have abs. Oh yeah kinky my car isn't stock i installed intrax springs.

ShadowDog · 04-23-2006, 03:14 PM

That's mostly correct, that ABS simply prevents lockup of any particular wheel so that control is retained for stopping. The difference is that most people don't understand the concept of threshold braking, so the time it would take them to modulate their braking efforts would take considerably longer to effectively stop on slippery surfaces.

I'm thinking F1 may not have ABS...but they do have traction control. From what I've read, FIA simply gave up trying to police it. As far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't have it.