This morning on the strip

[kinkyllama]

Originally Posted by XL7Limited

how I explain it is that he did not hit 130. Simple.

Well its about time I get a picture anyways. I've actually hit 137-138...can hit 128 any day, time, weather... I'll get a pic when I finish up a project here. Or better yet maybe I'll get a video.

Danny

[XL7Limited]

llama- don't you have different tire/wheel setup? If so have you recalibrated the speedo cause it as sure as heck will read higher with smaller diameter then original tires..

[kinkyllama]

Originally Posted by XL7Limited

llama- don't you have different tire/wheel setup? If so have you recalibrated the speedo cause it as sure as heck will read higher with smaller diameter then original tires..

Actually with my street wheels it seams almost dead on. I used a gear calculator thingy program I have and my rpms at 138 were within 100 of that thing which shows it shouldnt be more than 1mph off. The program couldnt be off by much either.

My street wheel/tire setup has a dimeter of 23.46 while stock is 23.44...so no not really.

On most cars speeds at 130mph range can be off as much as 15mph which is why I used my gear calculator to see how close I am. I keep trying to remember to bring my gps with me some day so I know for sure though.

[jurupa]

Originally Posted by XL7Limited

how I explain it is that he did not hit 130. Simple.

Uh okay explain away then. If your talking about the orginal poster of this thread then I will agree that there can be no way he could of hit 130 in a stock Reno/forenza, if its kinky then have fun.

Originally Posted by XL7Limited

And its a FACT whether you stomp your feet or not that the speed limit is 112.. Suzuki gets sued not Daewoo if you crash... Use your brain... Suzuki is responsible for the Reno not Deawoo..

whether you choose to believe it or not..

From what I know the blame can be passed on to GM Daewoo depending on what caused the crash.

I wil repost 2 tests to prove a 112 mph top speed cause you musta missed em before..

Performance &#8212 2007 Suzuki Reno Base — Yahoo! Autos <== C&D who actually does top speed runs

Suzuki Reno Automobile Review Gayot <== read the word GOVERNED next to 112 mph..

And for the third freaking time that is the top speed runs for the 2006 and 2007 models. The 2006+ models are not the same as the 2005 Reno's, as things like drive by wire where put in, it has better fuel ecomony.

[Audacity Racing]

I encourage everyone to go look for themselves at...



1. Your purchase agreement

2. The factory service manual
Daewoo

3. The ECU layout in the manual



There is NO provision in the code. Period. Trust me, I have the computer that links to both the Daewoo OEM ECU and the Delphi models found in the newer Aveos and Suzukis. No such bit of code exists because there is not a law that governs this (there was an attempt in 1971 but it fell through). It was too expensive of a development for such a low budget company.

The drive-by-wire vehicles may be equipped with the feature, but the ECU on them isn't available to look through... the Daewoo factory tuner will NOT read them, it's the same computer as found in the higher class cars such as Impalla and Catera, with a different pigtail and differnent map scalar.


Part of your purchase agreement with the automotive company states that you are reponsible for the vehicle upkeep and safety standards... not them. If the problem was a defect in the chassis or engine than they could be held accountable. The company cannot be held responsible if after your first tire change you put Uhaul trailer tires on the car and drive over 50mph and kill yourself... just isn't gonna happen.

In terms of business ethics, especially for an engineering firm, this is called "minimum coverage" under professional responsibility. Furthermore, due to the fact that anyone can change their tires and GM uses many different brands as showroom deliveries, there is no mandated speed limiter on these cars (again, prior to the DBW). This is known as "limited liability" where-as if you push the car beyond any legal limit... it's your own fault.


A nifty example is this... the seatbelts and airbag system in yoru vehicle are not designed for any impact above 55mph. This is LOWER than the highest (and for that matter average) speed limit found in the United States. You would think that the car company would get sued for not protecting you at normal highway speed... but they don't!



And again... legally, and socially, the definition of LIBEL is a form of slander or lying.
libel - Definitions from Dictionary.com


LIABLE is the act of being responsible.
liable - Definitions from Dictionary.com





As a practicing PE (Professional Engineer) in the automotive industry, I'm well aware of the legal ramifications and specifications on these things. Perhaps XL7 should go back to school himself.

If you want to get real technical about it, the limit is 155mph as set by "The Gentlemen's Agreement" that won't let cars go over that limit unless they are placed in the "super/sport" class of insurance. This can be enforced by electronics, or by physics...

Lastly, the tires found on the 2003 Cadillac CTS, a cousin to the Suzukis/Daewoos were delivered as S rated tires... and the car will top out around 145mph.

[itzme]

xl7 limited, xl7 implies you drive an xl7...do you own a forenza/reno? b/c you are disputing facts with forenza/reno owners that drive these cars everyday and are familiar with their capabilities and inabilities. Also have you done any research to prove that the 04-05's are speed limited at 112mph because the only thing you have shown us is for 06-07's?? We understand that you want to prove a point but PROVE the point or let it go. Right now it is just an opinion based on your experience with other cars or other years of these cars. Believe what you wanna believe and prove what you can prove, but remember that we drive these cars and know more about them then you could read in magazines and websites!

[Zipper]

Originally Posted by itzme

xl7 limited, xl7 implies you drive an xl7...

If you look below his name, you will see the car, or cars listed as owned. In XL7's case,its just a 2002 XL.7 Limited

[jurupa]

Originally Posted by itzme

xl7 limited, xl7 implies you drive an xl7...do you own a forenza/reno? b/c you are disputing facts with forenza/reno owners that drive these cars everyday and are familiar with their capabilities and inabilities. Also have you done any research to prove that the 04-05's are speed limited at 112mph because the only thing you have shown us is for 06-07's?? We understand that you want to prove a point but PROVE the point or let it go. Right now it is just an opinion based on your experience with other cars or other years of these cars. Believe what you wanna believe and prove what you can prove, but remember that we drive these cars and know more about them then you could read in magazines and websites!

Actually XL7 has proven that the 2006 model year does have a speed limiter on it. But he does not seem to get the fact that there where noticeable changes in the 2006 Reno from the 2005 Reno, and this is what I been trying to tell him and he seems not to get it. Even Audacity says there may be a speed limiter because of the drive by wire which the 2005 Reno does not have.

Originally Posted by Audacity Racing

I encourage everyone to go look for themselves at...



1. Your purchase agreement

2. The factory service manual
Daewoo

3. The ECU layout in the manual

I have bascially read thru all of the manuals for my car and it does not say anything about a speed limiter. I don't know if Suzuki has to mention it or not, but I don't remember seeing one.

The drive-by-wire vehicles may be equipped with the feature, but the ECU on them isn't available to look through... the Daewoo factory tuner will NOT read them, it's the same computer as found in the higher class cars such as Impalla and Catera, with a different pigtail and differnent map scalar.

I been trying to tell XL7 that the 2005 Reno is different from the 2006+ Reno and he seems not to get this. And I have been saying that there very may be a speed limiter in the 2006+ Forenza/Reno's. But I never knew the ECU for the 2006+ models where used on other cars.

Part of your purchase agreement with the automotive company states that you are reponsible for the vehicle upkeep and safety standards... not them. If the problem was a defect in the chassis or engine than they could be held accountable. The company cannot be held responsible if after your first tire change you put Uhaul trailer tires on the car and drive over 50mph and kill yourself... just isn't gonna happen.

This is pretty clearly stated in the warrenty booklet for my Reno.

In terms of business ethics, especially for an engineering firm, this is called "minimum coverage" under professional responsibility. Furthermore, due to the fact that anyone can change their tires and GM uses many different brands as showroom deliveries, there is no mandated speed limiter on these cars (again, prior to the DBW). This is known as "limited liability" where-as if you push the car beyond any legal limit... it's your own fault.

What this? Personal responsiblity oh no say it is not so!

A nifty example is this... the seatbelts and airbag system in yoru vehicle are not designed for any impact above 55mph. This is LOWER than the highest (and for that matter average) speed limit found in the United States. You would think that the car company would get sued for not protecting you at normal highway speed... but they don't!

I did not want to hear this. Now I am wondering how much the crush zones on our car can take.

If you want to get real technical about it, the limit is 155mph as set by "The Gentlemen's Agreement" that won't let cars go over that limit unless they are placed in the "super/sport" class of insurance. This can be enforced by electronics, or by physics...

Never heard of this. Do you have a link on this? I knew the real sport cars needed special insurance, but I thought it was more due to the price of the car and the type of car, but not because of a certain speed tho.

Lastly, the tires found on the 2003 Cadillac CTS, a cousin to the Suzukis/Daewoos were delivered as S rated tires... and the car will top out around 145mph.

How the heck is a cousin to us? Me thinks to do some research on this one.

[XL7Limited]

well.. The original OP has an 06 so can we at least agree that the drive by wire 06 and 07's hs the 112 speed limiter..? The rest of this I will dig deeper..

aud racing... Are you a EIT or a PE.. Im a PE and if you would like Ill post my license # in pm to you..

I have more training and practical experience that you could imagine.

How many years do you have under your belt ????

[Zipper]

Gees, the chest beating beguins.
Like to alpha dogs fighting over a scrap. Just let this go. So far it has done nothing to shining any real light on the subject, we're way off topic, and apparently, all thats happening is bruses to egos.