im not hear to instigate any fight, these forums are designed to voice opinion and facts. all im doing is using my right to an opinion backed up with cold hard facts! im to old to start fights over something so insugnificent.. im not that bigAl guy lol! obviiously when i post something everyone gets on the defense. if you've been around a lot of races and racers, you'd know there are 2 different kinda a racers.. the loud mouth who runs his mouth about how his cars the best,sometimes it is but most of the time it isnt even worth racin. then theres the quite person who everyone wants to race without him even opening his mouth. he knows what he has, so does everyone else, and they all wanna race him. that guy has all the confidence because his car is fast! and if someone beats him,he admits defeat because obviously someone came as a worthy opponent. you guys are talking about beating cars that you dont stand a chance beating! just stop!
See, thats the thing, people are chalanging us! We arnt looking for these most of the time, its some one looking to take us down. Your not lookin to start anything, but the asumption that because its just 4 cimynders and is cheep means its slow is wearing thin here. Your not lookin, but you trolling. No one likes a troll
im not hear to instigate any fight, these forums are designed to voice opinion and facts. all im doing is using my right to an opinion backed up with cold hard facts! im to old to start fights over something so insugnificent.. im not that bigAl guy lol! obviiously when i post something everyone gets on the defense. if you've been around a lot of races and racers, you'd know there are 2 different kinda a racers.. the loud mouth who runs his mouth about how his cars the best,sometimes it is but most of the time it isnt even worth racin. then theres the quite person who everyone wants to race without him even opening his mouth. he knows what he has, so does everyone else, and they all wanna race him. that guy has all the confidence because his car is fast! and if someone beats him,he admits defeat because obviously someone came as a worthy opponent. you guys are talking about beating cars that you dont stand a chance beating! just stop!
That last comment in bold doesn't sound like an opinion to me.
If you don't like hearing stories, whether you think they're true or not, you don't have to read them. Moreso, you don't have to comment on em. But you do. You're the one starting crap here. Don't expect us all to say "Oh mighty rhyno, you are the supreme knowledgable person on the Suzuki boards! We admit that because you say we're lying about something that we MUST BE!"
Get over yourself.
And in the 65 Lincoln thread, I backed up AK's claim with hard numbers. Not opinion, not things I pulled out of the air or my arse. Hard facts. Formulas that have been tried and tested. I notice that the thread got real quiet after that.
Psh.
Tell you what rhyno, you go to a Nissan board or whatever it is you drive and bash us there, no one wants to hear it here.
i'd just like to say bein the one who started this thread that i know what i know and i took the kid. i've raced alot having owned a 91 integra as my first car and trust me everything that wasnt a v8 wanted a go with those cars. so i can tell you the kid i raced may have had no idea how to drive but i killed him and you dont believe me well thats your problem not mine. oh, maybe the reason you blow your brother off the road is he cant drive as well?
I have a question. When was it decided that all 4bangers will make exactly 10-15 hp with an intake and exhaust?
Rhyno you might want to read this it contains some of those cold hard facts you are so found of.
I see the arguement often that an intake and an exhaust is only going to get you 10 -15 hp on a 4 cyl. That statement is so misleading that it is laughable. Here is a list of variables that will cause this magic number to be considerable different from one model of car to the next.
1. the size shape and design of the intake being installed.
2. the design, parts used, and extent of changes made to the exhaust.
3.Fuel management.
4.Timing and ignition management
5. compression
6.Restriction
7. power delivery threw the drivetrain.
I will hit on a few of these.
The HP achieved by different intakes and Exhausts is stupidly obvious. Moving on.
The computer management sytem in this car is a Delphi 64 pin Fuzzylogic set up that is on par or better than any car out there under $40,000 dollars. I will get back to why you get such great gear for so cheap later. The car has electronic ignition and varible computer controlled cams, and a very nice tune port setup and could adjust to and handle up to 4-5 psi of boost stock or a 70shot of nitrous stock. You are not going to do that with a Focus.
The great thing about this car is that when you change things like the intake and exhaust it doesn't keep running the same stock parameters it adjusts the fuel and timing to the changes.
Compression, any one with car experience knows one very effective way of making power in a N/A engine is raising compression. This is usually done by dished pistons and or changing the stroke length. Perfect example is increasing the stoke of a 350 small block by using the crank and con rods of a 327 to build a 383 stroker. Well a Forenza is up over 10.5:1 atmospheres.
Resrtiction, here is where we get to the ponies. A Forenza has the most restrictive intake and exhaust system I have ever seen in a car. Below is a pic of the intake and trust me the exhaust is just as bad. But the car still has the 2nd highest HP and Torque in its class. I hear some people say how terrible a stock Forenza sounds under full throttle and I have a response that while being some what silly gets to the heart of the matter. Let me jump on your back and strangle you with both hands and then you try to run and yell while im doing that.
You can be provided with a dyno chart that shows an Optra (same car) With to big of an exhaust, a considerably less effective intake and the UD pulley making 126 fwhp which translates to about 155 crank HP. With the differences in my set up I feel confident I am making between 10-15 hp more than that. Then add in the couple of HP I am making threw some minor mods like grounding. So with just bolt ons I am in a completely different competetive class than stock, and power wise on par with most of your sport compacts that are N/A and some lower level boosted cars such as the 170 hp Lacetti WTCC+r which is our car running some boost thanks to a factory supercharger.
Drive train has everything to do with real world performance, gearing is as big a player as power and I am here to tell you these transmissions are top knotch. The 5 spd is a Gertrag F20 labeled as a D20 to denote Daewoo. This is a sports compact performance transmission that you can find bolted to turbo engines in several makes. The auto while I don't remember all the letters and numbers is a very good GM design that is the auto option in all of those same cars. The trans has the same Delphi controll and does change modes to change the shift points to suit what you are doing. The auto will hold 1st threw 3rd gears all the way to redline under full throttle. People recomend shifting at 5500 rpms because the power and torque drop off after that but that is not how to best use a dohc engine. The power slowly drops after that and the higher shift point lets you engage the next gear at a higher RPM that puts you just below the max torque only using the power range of the gear. This is not a drag racing set up where you have to leave the line from a stop 3000 rpm below max torque. Dohc motors suck at the strip no matter what car they are in. But the Transmission makes up for some of this. Once you have left the line and break about 20 mph you will never drop out of the power range and a stock Forenza will only shift 1 time in a 80mph 1/4 mile run which a comparable speed to most stock compacts and well over half the V8 cars from the 60-70s. The only thing you have to fear is a car that is veryfast off the line. To use my own post as an example a V6 Camaro is no rocket off the line and once I got my rpms up the older car with twice the miles on the engine just didn't have a chance.
See, thats the thing, people are chalanging us! We arnt looking for these most of the time, its some one looking to take us down. Your not lookin to start anything, but the asumption that because its just 4 cimynders and is cheep means its slow is wearing thin here. Your not lookin, but you trolling. No one likes a troll
you make it sound like im a V8 guy..you dont know me dude.. im as far away from them as all of you. you are contridicting yourself with statement such as, "we are not trying to race, people are challenging us". so far all the threads ive read, everyone in the suzuki instigated the race. 4cylinder cars to me are the coolest to hook up in my opinion. shows how much you know about me bud. ive said in the past these cars have potential, but lets not play the game like these are the ultimate street machines. every car has potential, if you own a car and are proud of it, then you do everything you can to unleash the potential of the car. i can see how all you guys get very defensive over what i say, and its because you feel like im insulting you... thats not the case, ive owned cars from A-Z, some where faster then others. people would bash my car cause it was slow or the paint job wasnt nice, it dont matter though its my car and what people say shouldnt get you guys in a crazy uproar! it makes you look intimidated. the top three thread in this street encounter forum has been staying alive just for the fact that i come and add my 2 cents. can you see how intimidated you guys get? play it cool guys just stop replying to my posts. its all my opinion and yes sometime a little frustrated anger. im not hear to make enemies.
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