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Old 02-16-2017, 09:31 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Trans is automatic 5 speed, number model I'll found out as soon as I get home, truck is a 2007 V6 2.7 US spec. So far drove 130 miles and not any sympthoms but I'm quite confused with the discrepancy, 1lt is way too much.


I didn't run the engine during the change, I did exactly what the guy in this video does:
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Just checked the service manual again and it, says:

A/T fluid capacity reference value:
When draining from drain plug hole: Approx. 2.5 liters (5.33/4.40 US/Imp. pt.)
When overhauling: Approx. 7.2 liters (15.36/12.67 US/Imp. pt.)


Since I already drove 150 miles and the fluid circulated I'm going to drain it and fill it again to get the most of the old one out, this time I'm going to do what the manual says (2.5 lts) and run it for a few minutes and check but it is possible that for some reason (oil being too old and thin) one more liter came out? That's the only possible explanation that comes to my mind, both user and service manuals can't be wrong.

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Old 02-16-2017, 12:11 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Those are the same number I have.

Take a good look at the tube where you pour the transmission oil (the same that holds the dipstick). I has an ear that must be bolted to the engine.
In my tracker, that ear was broken, so the tube was not correctly inserted on the transmission. Can't recall if it went too deep, of was not fully inserted. This gave me a wrong reading.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Patico, just took a look at the tube with a flashlight and no leaks at all.

Just finished the 2nd fluid change, the one that came out this time was bright red (only one day and 150 miles of use) and almost a gallon (3.3 lts to be exact) came out, again.

Went with the manual and poured exactly 2.5 lts, warmed engine, went for a 10 min ride, measured and oil was lower than the cold mark so common sense says it needed more than the 2.5 lts than the manual says, took me 3 more tries of adding/ driving/ measuring cycle until I got it 3/4 full, ended up using... You guessed it: 3.3 lts.

Don't know why this is happening and I still believe that almost 1 lt is too much of a difference but when I first drained almost 3.5 lts came out so that's exactly what I put back in.

This weekend I have to make a 300 miles roundtrip, I'll let you know on Monday if my transmisison explodes! I'm joking but now I'm a bit worried too, thought it would be a good idea to make the change before the trip, never thought this was gonna come up....
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Overfilling can lead to oil foaming, leaks and transmission failure.
Not a good thing.

You know, sometimes manuals have errors. That's something to live by.

Tha manual for the 2000cc, 4 cylinder Tracker states this:
When draining from drain plug hole: 2.5 liters (5.28/4.40 US/lmp.pt.)
When overhauling 7.1 liters (15.00/12.50 US/lmp.pt.)


Perhaps an unchecked Copy-Paste from an older manual???

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Found new info
2.5 / 7.2 liters seem to come from the JB416/JB420 manual .These are 1600cc and 2000cc engines.
Check carefully and see ir you are reading from the correct manual for your car.
If it's a PDF file, ckick in FOREWORD. There should indicate the car model.
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Check what I found in the manual for Grand Vitara JB627



Compare the drawings and see if those match the appearance of your car. This manual states 3 liters for draining and 9.9 liters for overhaul

DIRTY MINDED PEOPLE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM READING THE NEXT PARAGRAPH:
Also, is there a way you can compare your dipstick with someone who owns a similar car??
There was this car whose engine oil dipstick handle broke, and the owner fixed it with epoxy. Then came Patico, bought a new one from the dealership and the epoxy stick reached 1/2" deeper than the original.
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Patico you saved my life! Nor the user manual that came with the truck and nor the service manual I downloaded have those pictures or that information. 3 lts sounds WAY more accurate and near the 3.3 that drained out! And yes, the illustrations are of my same exact engine. Don't have the manual in here right now (it's in the truck in the garage and it's kinda late now lol) but tomorrow I'm taking a couple of pics to show you what it says! Probably as you said, a copy/paste from another model :/

Regarding the dipstick comparation I face two problems there, 1- Since Suzuki went out of business in the US this gen of GV is not that common to see around here and 2- I don't imagine stopping another driver and asking him if he doesn't mind comparing the length of our sticks for research purposes rofl!

Hey thanks again, you brought some clarity, I was litetally pulling my hair with this...

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Old 02-20-2017, 07:12 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Update: 354 miles after transmission shifting smooth and level in between marks so I'd call it a win

Patico's numbers are correct, the user manual for the V6 2.7 should have this image:



but instead it has the one for the 1.6 and 2.0 engines (at least in my case).

Yesterday arrived the diff fluid and pump so sometime this week I'll be doing that.

Airbag recall done today at dealership, 50 point inspection and courtesy wash for free, oh and 2 cups of coffee lol.

What's curious is that the "Passenger airbag off" doesn't illuminate anymore now everything else seems to work as it should.
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On my 3.2 I knew we were due for a trans flush. Then we put it into storage for 6 months.
I'd been reluctant to change my own engine oil on it because I thought pulling the drip pan was such a pain in the butt along with what everyone says here about how difficult it was to swap out the oil filter!
I truly hate people touching my engines... or anything else.
So I was dumbfounded how easy it was when I finally did it out of defiance!

Like previous posts, my manual called for 3.0 litres on a trans drain and fill.
I got 4.1 liters out!
But I bought only 3 litres of 3309! Crap!
I chalk this extra up to the fact that I had the front raised as High as my floor jack would allow. So, combined with the slant of the oil pan, I got more out than some others would perhaps.
I added the extra 1 litre the next day.

I'm going to run it for a week or two and drain and fill again with another 4 L Unless, MAX - question to you specifically...

What I'd like to do is drain it from the output side of the radiator under power to get as much out as possible. And then drop the pan plug afterward.
I use a clear drain pan with graduated markings to tell EXACTLY how much fluid I've removed to ensure I replace the exact same volume of fluid.

So would someone tell me, which line is in and out on the rad, please.

After owning the truck for a short time I was shocked at the condition of the trans fluid and I want it all out ASAP. I also need to change gear oil in transfer and both diffs if its the same as trans, but I wanted to do that anyway regardless. that's easy.
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So would someone tell me, which line is in and out on the rad
On your later model, I can't confirm which line is the cooler inlet (pressure) side.

Worst case scenario, you can direct BOTH lines to a suitable oil catch container for assurance. Just return each disconnected line to its original location upon completion.

Maybe another Member has accomplished this evolution already and will chime in.

Also, provide the year / model in question here.
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