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Old 09-25-2006, 09:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So I'm at the dealer talking to one of the mechanics there. He asks me if I heard about the valve inspection that the new GV's have to have. The first one is due around 23K miles. I asked him how much that service goes for and he says about $1200. Is he out of his mind? I checked the manual and it does indeed say that an inspection should be made approximately every 23.5K miles. That means I'll have spent $2,400 US in inspections by the time I get to 45K!

Anyone hear about this?

Btw I only have 1,500 miles so I have a long way to go before any inpections.
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Old 09-25-2006, 11:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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First time in my life that I ear about such an inspection, I'll look in the Canadian version of the manual this evening, I'll let you know. Does it say should or shall ? if they say should, well, they shall not get my money.
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Well.. it doesn't say should or shall. It just says "inspect". The mechanic, who could care less if my warranty is void or not, told me that if they were not inspected and recorded my warranty would not be valid. $1,200 bucks sounds really steep for rountine maintanence. (every 23.5 k)

Noticed something, on the suzuki website it NOW makes no mention of the valve lash inpection. A few weeks ago it was clear as day. I printed it! Whats the story Suzuki? Why don't we have self adjusting hydraulic valve lifters?

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they could only deny a warranty claim if and only if the failure was due to not inspecting the valve lash.

1200$ is insane amount, no way i would pay that
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Yes, the 2006 GV needs the valves adjusted, it was changed over from hydraulic to shim style tappets..

But $1200 is just a load of BS. The factory flat rate is 2.4 hours, so even at $100/hr you still only have about $250 plus gaskets.

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why on earth would Suzuki go to mechanical lifters for 06 Tim??
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I checked my warranty booklet tonight, and checking the valves is indeed at the 21-month service point. In the service manual, the main thing required to check them is removing the valve covers.

So here's another question for Tim:

If the valves don't need adjusting, I assume the owner pays the inspection fee. But if they do need adjusting, wouldn't the whole job be covered under warranty?

And yes, why using mechanical lifters? I remember my dad shimming our 1950's Austin, and am concerned that such a backward approach is on this vehicle. Wait until the Rav4 and Forester owners hear about this.

Unless I can be molified in the meantime, as a form of protest I'm not going to take this job to Suzuki.
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The only way to "inspect" the valves is to check the lash on each individual valve. It's not a take the cover off and do a visual type inspection. This is a typical valve maintenance procedure on any non-hydraulic valve engine. It needs to be done. Too tight a lash and performance suffers and you can burn valves. Too loose...then the engine starts rattling / ticking and valve components begin to wear significantly.

It is often a relatively easy to "do it yourself" though, depending on the interference removal requirements and specials tools, if needed.

Does NE1 know / have the service manual valve adjustment procedure for this model?

EDIT: 3/17/17 Shim part numbers and sources...
http://www.suzuki-forums.com/3g-2006...ml#post1351673
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I was not aware that the valves were manual adjust. This does seem inconsistent with the overall character of the vehicle. My 1997 had hydraulic lifters.

I have had several vehicles with manual lifters, however, and the adjustment procedure can be from easy (takes around an hour) to difficult. My worst was a Fiat that had shims of variable thickness on top of the cup over the valve spring. The first time I adjusted, I had to remove all the shims and measure their thickness after measuring all the valve clearances. Then I could work out what shims could be moved and reused and what new shims I needed. Then it was take them out again and fix. The best was a Ford made by Kia that had adjustment screws on little rockers (it was overhead cam but the cam operated the rocker, not the valve directly). You didn't even need gaskets, there was an o-ring on the cover.

Anybody know the Suzuki 2.7 system?

With respect to the warranty, the dealer may tell you that you have to have these things done by them to validate the warranty but to void the warranty leagally, the dealer must show the lack of the recommended maintenance was the cause of the vehicle issue that you needed repaired. Lack of valve adjustment can lead to valve problems or poor performance but it would not cause a crankshaft to seize or a transmission to fail, for instance. If you service this yourself correctly, there should be no issue traceable to lack of the service (was not for me on my little Ford/Kia that never had a dealer adjustment).

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Is this something that needs to be done only a few times in the beginning of the life of the vehicle or is it a regular (like every 20 month) procedure that has to be repeated for the life of the vehicle? I'm not liking it one bit!
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