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Old 09-27-2006, 08:35 AM   #21 (permalink)
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So the question is... What can we do about this? I agree that it will hurt the retail value. However, the 2007's have the same mechanics with no sight of future changes. I leased my car so I have have two options. Not bother with the service.. or I can do the service and take care of he car the way I want to. I DONT want to pay that absurd amount though, nor do I want to do the job myself even though I'm capable. I too was told that the maintanence costs were very low aside from oil changes. I think Suzuki should pick up the costs at least until the 100,000 warranty is up. Does anyone think I'm out of line?
Suzuki DOES seem receptive to customer complaints in mass quantities. They do not have the leverage in North America to blow off future prospects. I say we do something about this.
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Old 09-27-2006, 08:50 AM   #22 (permalink)
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A regular maintenance item for a vehicle with only 37.5K that will cost over $1,000 is absurd and/or a serious design/engineering flaw in my mind. Suzuki must do better than that or it will ruin future GV sales and alienate many existing customers like myself who switched from other brands. I too will wait to see what are the real experiences. I don't want to overreact. I'm at 18K and based on my mileage I should get to this service point next spring.

But, I am in support of doing something to send a strong message to Suzuki now to reduce the cost of this service (within the rules of civil and democratic society of course :-) )

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Old 09-27-2006, 09:11 AM   #23 (permalink)
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we will see a lot of slightly used grand vitaras flooding the market at around 24000 miles, that should hurt the retail value. Suzuki should offer a lower cost on this procedure The technicians who do this should be able to acomplish this task in less time as they become more proficient I think this is the problem with bying a first year vehicle
Suzuki warranty times are already .3 to .5 hr lower than standard. Most Suzuki dealers labor rates are 20% below other dealer brands.

A 30k service fee of $800 to $1000 is perfectly in line with all other car manufacturers. Suzuki offers a comprehensive powertrain warranty for FREE but they expect you to step up to the plate and provide regular maintenace. GM, Ford and Chrysler do not offer this.
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I think we sould follow up and see when the first of us will go to the dealer for it, in the mean time I asked Suzuki how much it should cost, it may be not that bad, here is their reply:

Manufacturer flat rate time to perform a valve lash inspection and adjustment is 2.4 hours. The cost will vary depending on the dealership labour rate but on average in the Canadian market the labour cost will be approximately $175.00.
Valve Lash Inspection is recommended at 35,000 km increments for Canadian Driving Conditions. Other recommended services at this interval are oil & filter change and air filter inspection/replacement as necessary. So in most cases, again depending on the local market, the labour cost for this scheduled maintenance is probably in or around the $200.00 mark with additional charges for oil, filter, and air filter if necessary.
It should be noted, that contrary to your statement “it's probably the last engine left in the automotive world that requires that” is actually not the case. For instance, many of the most popular vehicles on the market today, including 2006 Toyota RAV4 as well as several other Toyota models, are equipped with a similar valve train configuration for performance and durability benefits.

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Old 09-27-2006, 01:48 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Thanks for looking into that!! That news isnt so bad. I can deal with say $350-400 US dollars every 23,500 Miles. So what the heck are the dealers around me talking about? There is a huge price discrepancy. I should contact Suzuki USA and have them tell me what they told you. Then I'll bring it to my dealer and not pay more than they say.
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Most dealers should be rolling the inspection into the 30k and 60k service ,each service running about $1000-$1400, actual adjustment is of course more as stated previously.
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Have 24,000 km on my SGV, not looking forward to the 30k service now Wouldn't have bought the Vitara if I knew this when buying it. $1000-$1400 every year for the service is simply not worth it. Will be looking closely at the 2007 Honda CR-V now
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I wanted to verify if it's true that other manufacturers are using mechanical bucket type as well, and yep, they are right: Interesting enough, I have found that this type of valvetrain is more and more often used today, I wasn't aware of this. As an example i found that Mazda tribute, Toyota tacoma, Toyota Tundra, Toyota RAV4, Ford Escape, Ford Edge 2007, Ford Lincoln, Ford Mustang 3.5 V6, Ford T-Bird, Jaguar, some Honda engines, some Nissan engines are using it. In general they are all using shims for the adjustment, seems like Honda and Subaru are using screw-type adjustment. Even some Toyota's don't have adjusment screw and neither are using shims, instead they have kits of lifters which the base of the lifter itself varies in thickness, so you need to swap the lifters...mmm

Why do they tend to use them more and more ? They get more power and fuel efficiency from the engines with that type of valvetrain, what the customers are asking for...and are cheaper for the car maker, what he's asking.
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Good question, which may just fall into the age old issue that hydraulic lifter usage contributes to valve "float" at high RPM's. But I find this a moot point in the engine designs that we're talking about in general here.

I'd much rather have the lessened maintenance burden and quietness of hydraulic lifters any day.
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Like I said in my first post, the flat rate is 2.4 hours. Any dealer who is quoting $500 plus dollars is out to lunch (and you should take your lunch elsewhere )

Mechanical lifters are more efficient then hydraulic (and cheaper) and in the long run are much more durable. Suzuki uses the same design on their motorcycles and outboards as well. Even the 1.6 Vitara required a valve adjustment during regular maintenance.

On some of the Toyota motors, you have to pull the cams to adjust the shims... the Suzuki is a cake walk in comparison.

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I do not have a service manual (yeah I know I should probably get one) but did one of you guys with one look and verify that it is shims on the top of the valve spring that you change out to make the adjustment? I do not care for this method of making the adjustments but it is not the end of the world. With double overhead cams, it seems logical Suzuki would do this instead of having little rockers so you can have a screw adjustment arrangement but I can't tell if we are assuming that it's shims or if somebody looked it up. I would also be interested in the gasket arrangement. The only other aluminum head engine I've had to do this on had an o-ring in the cover so you did not need a gasket to make the adjustment.

There were also comments earlier about the effect of not doing this. I think we should all follow the recommended maintenance interval but in the vast majority of cases, not checking the valve clearance will mean you may have a valve not opening as early as it is supposed to or as much as it is supposed to. You reduce the lift and duration effectively of the camshaft by having too much clearance. Something could warp around to produce less clearance, I guess, but it is pretty unlikely. More clearance means less horsepower but not burnt valves etc.. I bet there are a lot of mechanical lifter motors out there that did not get this done.

Is the GV 2.7 like the XL-7 2.7 in this regard? I have a co-worker with a XL-7 with around 100K miles on it. I would be a bit surprised if it has ever had the valve clearance checked. Again I am not advocating ignoring recommended maintenance, just observing the likely consequences - nothing drastic in my opinion.

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