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Old 09-26-2006, 08:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It's routine / periodic maintenance throughout the life of any typical non-hydraulic lifter engine, with frequencey based on mileage and often duration (months).

I sure would like to see a "quote" from the Zuki Service Manual to confirm this latest requirement though.
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Old 09-26-2006, 11:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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They only reason I can see why Suzuki went for this is probably because they needed to build a less expensive engine. They are looking to save money on engine components and lifters are a big part of that. Lifters and the matching cam have become a big percentage of the cost of an engine. A flat tappet lifter might cost $1.50 and a roller lifter will cost $6, and when you’re talking about 24 in an engine, it adds up quickly. And there’s a much bigger difference with cams (roller vs. flat tappet).”

But come on, if it's true, that's absurd and it's probably the last engine left in the automotive world working without hydraulic lifters. Hello Suzuki, we are in the 21st century!!!

It's not something I will do at home, spending 1/2 a day adjusting 24 valves, and I'm not willing neither do go to the dealer every x amount of time, spending my money for this. I never had a car since the last 26 years that required that. I think I'm going to look for something else and sell this thing.

I was happy with it, but not ready to live with this, sorry.
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OK I just called another dealer to see what they say. I spoke with a service writer who can see the pricing list. This is what he told me

The basic inspection is $499.00 US. This is assuming that all of the lifters are within spec. If any adjustments are needed the job can go as high as $1300 US.

I heard someone mention that this might be covered under warranty. I already knew the answer but I asked anyway. NO this procedure is not covered under warranty becasue it is considered general maintanence.

So.. Go Suzuki. You tricked all of us into thinking that we were getting a lot for a little. Even threw in the quote about the "self lubricating no maintanence timing chin". Well lets see.. Timing belt at 100K would cost roughly 800-900 with labor & water pump.
I could possibly spend in excess of $3500, before I reach the 100K mark. I think I'll take the timing belt in place of the mechanical lifters.

Now.. how many of you trust your dealer enough to take their word that an actual adjustment was needed? Its not like I can check to see the shims that were put in. Sounds like a nice money making opportunity for the dealer... I feel duped already.
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Most dealers should be rolling the inspection into the 30k and 60k service ,each service running about $1000-$1400, actual adjustment is of course more as stated previously.

Hydraulic versus bucket type: Bucket is much better and more reliable. Suzuki is simply going with what everyone else is doing with the exception of the required inspection. SX4 is the same btw.

Procedure is not that hard, remove valve covers, turn engine over so 1st set of valves is closed, check spec with feeler gauge. If out make note of measurements so we can ORDER shims later. Repeat for remainder of cylinders. Note I said ORDER shims, meaning if the intial inspect is found to be out you will need to schedule a appointment when the shims come in. I don't think most dealers are going to carry a 100 piece shim assortment.

Actual adjustment is just some measuring, picking the correct shim, using a special tool to push down the valve and valve bucket, replace shim, repeat as needed. 10 minutes per valve.

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OK, so does somebody have the specs/measurements? How much is the shim kit? How much is the special tool? What are the procedures for a non-mechanic to do this? Like, how to turn engine over, things to look out for, etc.
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I'd suggest that if you plan to keep your GV, that you order a factory service manual. This procedure is described in it.

For me, the jury is out on this matter until some people actually get the job done and report back. It would seem unacceptable to have the valve covers taken off once to determine the shims needed, and a second time to have them installed. At our cost, of course.
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I seem to remember the dealer telling me cost of maintenance other than oil changes was under 100 dollars for the life of the car
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I'm shocked!!!
I've never considered spending all this money on a car. What other surprises await us?
I'm beginning to regret my former Honda CRV.
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This is what Suzuki Canada has to say about it:
As indicated in the Periodic Maintenance Schedule, page 9-3 of the owner's manual; the valve lash clearance should be inspected/corrected every 37,500km or every 22.5 months which ever occurs first.

This item would not be pointed out at the time of purchase as it is impossible for the sales representative to know what is an important area of concern for the the consumer. The technology of this type of engine requires the specified maintenance to ensure long life and optimum performance and is not a sign of old or problem technology.

Thank you for allowing us this opportunity to respond to your inquiry.

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WOW! So what they are saying is that the sales representative only has to know that the Grand Vitara they are selling me has four wheels, four doors, what colors are available and that is looks like a box?

As a consumer I don't have access to the Owners Manual like the Salesman does. "it is impossible for the sales representative to know what is an important area of concern for the the consumer". That is a very bold statemend made by Suzuki. They are saying that their sale reps do nothing to match their customers to a vehicle that best suits thier needs.

Sales Reps Thought Process: "He'll have to spend $1,200 every 3 oil changes. Thats probably not a major concern for him"
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