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Old 01-17-2012, 11:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry 2007 XL7 - Timing chains - What else is new?

I have been having issues with my 2007 Suzuki XL-7 75,000 miles, There seems to be an issue with this model and timing chains, as EVERY dealer I talk to has had to replace chains in at least one of these cars. Some say dozens. Have had GMC, and Chevy dealers tell me the same thing. Iíve been told itís the same engine that is in the Chevy Equinox, GMC Arcadia, etc. Iíve also read a bit about this issue on the Suzuki-forums.

After the chains were replaced the car ran great for about 2 weeks then back to the dealer for a jerking/bucking feeling and flashing engine light. I was told that a cam solenoid was clogged and they cleaned it. The engine was throwing codes about bank 1, I know it was P00008 and a code for each cylinder thaw was not firing correctly I think it was P00000, P00001, P00003??

Good for another week then same result. I turned the car off and called the dealer, they said bring it back. I drove it there and it felt as if I had no power. 5 Days later and they said they could not replicate the condition and did not see any codes due to a dead battery. They said the swapped the solenoidís between bank 0 & 1 so that if it happened again the would get the error codes on back 0 instead of bank 1 if the solenoids were bad. Also got a new battery (now the third since I bought the car) and it drove for about 3 weeks with the only trouble being that sometimes when I shut the car off like at a convenience store and try to start it within 2-3 min it would seem to take a bit to turn over, but if I let the car sit for at least 15 min it was all good. Again dealer said they never had that issue.

Now I started the car the other day engine light started flashing right away and the engine was bucking really strongly. NO power, if I put it in gear I could not steer of press the brake pedal. I called the dealership and they seemed to be pissed that I was calling again. I asked for the district repís number as he was involved the third time I brought it in. He called me right away and sent a flatbed and a local rental to pick up the car and bring it to another dealer (closest dealers are 1.5-2.0 hours from my house) other than the first one. The other dealer had the car for one day and they said if the first dealer had opened the timing chain cover you could see that the tensioners were not operating at all. They said when they get the parts in 2 days that if it does not pass the full diag/compression that they are most likely going to have replace the engine!!!

Now I am worried that other damage has happened for driving the car for several weeks with timing chain issues. Just looking for anything I should have this other dealer look at other than the engine, e.g. exhaust/transmission

I just saw something on TV about gas getting into the Cadillac converter because of non-burnt fuel and could cause it to get ruined due to heat from being clogged. I'm guessing that it will evaporate though.

Can anyone suggest anything I need to demand from Suzuki at this point?
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I think you are doing well at this time. Not many get as far as you.. Getting the district rep involved was a good move
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2007 model? That would be the newer shape and not the H27A 2.7l V6?
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2007 model? That would be the newer shape and not the H27A 2.7l V6?
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Question An Update..

So itís been about two and a half weeks they had got the parts for the chain issue, and they put the engine back together. I had just happened to call to check in, and they were about to take it out for a test drive and would call me back to come get the car if everything was okay.

Well now several of hours went byÖ Then the phone rang they said that there was some bad news.

One of the pistons was knocking real bad when they started it, and they were going to take the engine apart and remove the head tomorrow. They took the engine apart again, and apparently there is something that got clogged where the oil circulates on one of the cylinders. They said they didnít know if it happened before they got it or after but they were calling into the higher-up techs and the district rep. and they would call me back in a couple of days. I heard NO knocking when the car went nuts and I had flashing engine lights. They said they would call me in a couple of more days.

Well the call comes, and they say that there was good news and bad news.. The bad news Iím not getting my car back for 2-3 more weeks. The good news a new long block is being shipped will be on its way from the west coast soon. She said that the only thing that was in spec that was salvageable was surprisingly the valves. As apparently when an engine is not firing on all cylinders the valves can get bent when the pistons hit top dead center.

This is great news!!! (I think) But also this is where I get really confused though as I donít know a lot about engines. I have looked up what a long block was and that it includes the bottom and the head as opposed to a short block which is just the bottom. The confusing part to me is that they said everything would be new except the valves? Can someone explain what they are doing here?
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She said that the only thing that was in spec that was salvageable was surprisingly the valves. As apparently when an engine is not firing on all cylinders the valves can get bent when the pistons hit top dead center.
That sounds like a load of bull to me?

At least they're looking after you- no matter what went wrong (or when it happened.....)
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Long block includes everything. Including the valves, covers intake etc..
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Its good that they are actually doing things to fix this... but... i would be in their workshop regularly, if possible, and check up on them, and find out, exactly what they are doing/not doing...
And if you havnt already, contact the district rep, and tell them if you are not happy with whats being done or told to you !
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Just got an update today, it will be a total long block! Everything in there. Also the engine is already on its way and will be there today or tomorrow. The tech is taking out the old block as I type this. Also this is at different dealer than the original repair. I also live 1.5-2.0 hours from the nearest dealers. Luckily they are covering my rental and the towing. District rep has been awesome!
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Just got an update today, it will be a total long block! Everything in there. Also the engine is already on its way and will be there today or tomorrow. The tech is taking out the old block as I type this. Also this is at different dealer than the original repair. I also live 1.5-2.0 hours from the nearest dealers. Luckily they are covering my rental and the towing. District rep has been awesome!

Good to hear !

Keep us updated on how everything goes, and if the problem is finally fixed...
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