Grinding / Bad Bearing... - Page 2 - Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site
Suzuki Forum Suzuki Forums

» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site > Suzuki Models > Suzuki Vitara, Grand Vitara & XL-7 Forum (1999+) > 1G (1999-2005) Vitara & Grand Vitara
Register Home Forum Active Topics Photo Gallery Garage Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Auto EscrowAuto LoansInsurance

Suzuki-Forums.com is the premier Suzuki Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-18-2012, 09:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Garson, MB, Canada
Posts: 22
Gallery: 0
Spidermonkey is on a distinguished road
Default pics of hack job...

Woth a thousand words...
Attached Thumbnails
Grinding / Bad Bearing...-rear-end-1.jpg   Grinding / Bad Bearing...-t-case-1.jpg  
Spidermonkey is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-19-2012, 05:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
Max
Moderator
 
Max's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Carolina, USA
Posts: 11,002
Gallery: 0
Max is on a distinguished road
Default

Wow.

Interesting noise. It's RPM related too I see. Sort of a loose bearing / spline slop issue in origination.

As pronounced as it is, you certainly should be able to ID the location with a stethoscope. You just need another set of hands (or ears) to assist you in your quest, IMO.

The need for the tack welded "U" joints leads me to believe that something is so out of sorts (balance? bent?) that the normal clips won't hold in their locations, thus the apparent "fix". I'd look closer at the drive shaft front / spline to trans relationship.
__________________
'99 Grand Vitara JLX, 2.5L V-6, 4WD, 5 spd std, '00 "Limited" leather interior.
'53 Chevy 3100 Pick-up w/327 SB, TH400 trans w/78' Nova rear end.
'03 Honda Odyssey (Momma's ride)
'72 Chevy Nova. One owner, SB, A/C, power disc/drum & steering
.
Max is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-19-2012, 10:11 AM   #13 (permalink)
Veteran
 
aquanaut20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: FraserValley, BC, Canada
Posts: 4,857
Gallery: 0
aquanaut20 is on a distinguished road
Default

I don't guess, but I would be inspecting the U-joints again, very closely.

They may have dropped a roller into the cup and it no longer would fits between the clips.... Philip
__________________
92 Ford Explorer, 450k
97 Ford Explorer, 400k
99 Tracker, 4dr, 4x4, 2L DOHC, auto 200k
aquanaut20 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-19-2012, 03:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Garson, MB, Canada
Posts: 22
Gallery: 0
Spidermonkey is on a distinguished road
Default

I'm thinking about pulling the rear drive shaft from the t-case and running it. It should be high enoght that oil will stay inside...for a quick test anyway. This would either confirm driveline or tranny/engine.
Spidermonkey is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-19-2012, 08:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Garson, MB, Canada
Posts: 22
Gallery: 0
Spidermonkey is on a distinguished road
Default

ok.. I ran the system without the rear driveshaft. Smooooth sailing with no driveline attached. Not a single vibration, shudder squeek, or peep. Im thinking this means a couple of things.
1- Drive line is severly out of balance or some other issue driveshaft/u-joint related.
2- There is not enough load on the transfer case / transmission / engine to make the problem appear and it has nothing to do with anything behind the trasnfer case
3- The rear end is the source and is somehow louder at the transfer case then the rear end itself using a mechanics stethescope.

I am going to take the driveline in and see if its out of balance. Rule option one out....actually im hoping thats the cause and this is the end of my issues. Gut feeling is that this is not it, however I am hoping my gut is wrong this time. It appears as thouh whoever removed the u-joints last has messed up the retainer grooves to the point where there is metal removed and there is no lip / groove for the retainers to catch...hence the spot welds....could be a factor in my issues.... we shall see.

If it balences ok I will somehow have to try and rule out the rear end.

Last edited by Spidermonkey; 11-19-2012 at 09:00 PM.
Spidermonkey is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-19-2012, 09:15 PM   #16 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Garson, MB, Canada
Posts: 22
Gallery: 0
Spidermonkey is on a distinguished road
Default

after closer inspection of the pics..I think there may be something to the assembling of the -joints. In a few pics you can see that the caps do not seem to be fully inserted into the yokes...which may be why the clips are tacked inplace. If the yoke is not centered with the shaft I could see this causing some major issues. Will this driveshaft even be servicable in the future or should I be looking at a used one in better shape? (great..more $$ to spend)
Here is a few pics to check out...It wasn't done all that long ago as I can see the white markings on the yoke and shaft to mark orientation (atleast something was done right).
Attached Thumbnails
Grinding / Bad Bearing...-img_4624.jpg   Grinding / Bad Bearing...-img_4625.jpg   Grinding / Bad Bearing...-img_4626.jpg   Grinding / Bad Bearing...-img_4627.jpg   Grinding / Bad Bearing...-img_4628.jpg  

Grinding / Bad Bearing...-img_4629.jpg   Grinding / Bad Bearing...-img_4630.jpg   Grinding / Bad Bearing...-img_4631.jpg  
Spidermonkey is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-20-2012, 01:20 AM   #17 (permalink)
Veteran
 
aquanaut20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: FraserValley, BC, Canada
Posts: 4,857
Gallery: 0
aquanaut20 is on a distinguished road
Default

If this was my unit, I would use a small sharp chisel and knock the weld off. Then remove the Ujoints....

The shaft will not run vibration free if it is off centre.... Philip
__________________
92 Ford Explorer, 450k
97 Ford Explorer, 400k
99 Tracker, 4dr, 4x4, 2L DOHC, auto 200k
aquanaut20 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-22-2012, 09:58 PM   #18 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Garson, MB, Canada
Posts: 22
Gallery: 0
Spidermonkey is on a distinguished road
Default

Any chnace anyone has a driveshaft from a 1999-2004 2WD 4x4 tracker or GV they want to sell?? Can't seem to find any around the wrecker yards here and the one I have is butchard up good. Tackwelds wont just chisel off and there are other issues....
Spidermonkey is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-23-2012, 06:17 AM   #19 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Ohio, USA
Posts: 18
Gallery: 0
Wren is on a distinguished road
Default

Wow. I can feel for ya. Battling the very same problem.

Can't help ya on locating a driveshaft since I've just started to deal with this issue and haven't looked around for a driveshaft yet. Been too busy feeding the car other new parts.

Good luck and I'll keep watching this thread.

Wren
Wren is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-23-2012, 06:59 AM   #20 (permalink)
Max
Moderator
 
Max's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Carolina, USA
Posts: 11,002
Gallery: 0
Max is on a distinguished road
Default

Other members here w/similar rear drive shaft issues have also reported that good / used original style shafts are scarce and new units cost prohibitive.

Several guys ended up at Drive Line Specialty shops for existing shaft repair and balancing and in at least two cases, a complete new one piece shaft made from scratch. I can't fully endorse the "one piece" shafts, as I think that the Zuki engineers felt the need to design them in two-piece (clearance issues? drive line angle needs?) but they reportedly work, at least near term.
__________________
'99 Grand Vitara JLX, 2.5L V-6, 4WD, 5 spd std, '00 "Limited" leather interior.
'53 Chevy 3100 Pick-up w/327 SB, TH400 trans w/78' Nova rear end.
'03 Honda Odyssey (Momma's ride)
'72 Chevy Nova. One owner, SB, A/C, power disc/drum & steering
.
Max is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site > Suzuki Models > Suzuki Vitara, Grand Vitara & XL-7 Forum (1999+) > 1G (1999-2005) Vitara & Grand Vitara

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:28 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.3.2
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.