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Old 05-20-2011, 08:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation no spark 2000 gv, 2.5L

I had rebuilt my engine last year, and just had not got around to finishing the wiring and what not. Now I cannot get it to start, after hooking everything up. I have fuel because i pulled the FPR off and there's fuel there. And the plugs smelt like fuel as well, so the injectors are good. I checked for spark, pulled out a coil pack and plug, left the plug in the pack, and watched for the spark to arc across the spark plug. Nothing. FML. I have had nothing but complications with this damn vehicle, and frankly, I am getting annoyed and am close to setting it on fire.
I checked the 3 possible fuses for the ignition system for continuity, the fuses are fine, even though they have a little bit of oceanic looking green corrosion.

Any ideas? Are there any actual dealership type manuals out for this darn rig?

Someone please help me, I am so frustrated and lost, that I do not even what to work on this thing anymore.
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Default Everything you need is probably already discussed here...

http://www.suzuki-forums.com/1g-1999...gine-wont.html

And here...
http://www.suzuki-forums.com/1g-1999...-no-start.html

Service manual here...
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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and not cranking with a scan tool was your failing

plug in tool, key on.
crank for 10 seconds
does rpm go to 400 (or stay on zero) if not 400 the cmp is dead
during or just after releasing the key ,(not off) did the scan too show
p0335 or 340? (dead or flaky CMP?)

what location. cars vary by...... yes, location.
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http://www.suzuki-forums.com/1g-1999...gine-wont.html

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Funny you post those ones. Nah, I already read on those, they aren't related to my post at all. I know it is a non-start issue, but not my exact one

@Bog, can you give me a type of scan tool that would have this ability that I could rent at my local automotive store? (autozone, oreilly auto parts, napa?) Not a real big city, so I am limited. Otherwise I hate my life if I have to buy an expensive one that may not help me fix the car.
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@Bog, can you give me a type of scan tool that would have this ability that I could rent at my local automotive store? (autozone, oreilly auto parts, napa?) Not a real big city, so I am limited. Otherwise I hate my life if I have to buy an expensive one that may not help me fix the car.
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ok, so that scan tool up there will read the rpms, as 'bog' suggested?

And you are telling me if the cmp is bad, not hooked up properly, not timed correctly, can cause a no spark event?

And 'bog', this car was purchased used at a dealership in northern Idaho, so we do not have such harsh emissions as many other states may have.

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ok, so that scan tool up there will read the rpms, as 'bog' suggested?
Did you not watch the videos???
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And you are telling me if the cmp is bad, not hooked up properly, not timed correctly, can cause a no spark event?
The CPM replaces the old distributor, if it is missing or not working there will be no ignition.... simple!
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Did you not watch the videos???

The CPM replaces the old distributor, if it is missing or not working there will be no ignition.... simple!
Yeah I watched the videos. Thanks for the info. I will have to figure out how to test these cmp's since they are a 4 wire, not 3. But do you think if the sensor thingy that goes into the camshaft is backwards, can cause no spark as well?
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do you think if the sensor thingy that goes into the camshaft is backwards, can cause no spark as well?
It has an off-set tang bottom section and will only "correctly" install one way.

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And you are telling me if the cmp is bad, not hooked up properly, not timed correctly, can cause a no spark event?
Yes, and I think that you'll see that discussed in the threads that I referenced and did nothing for you.
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motor has a crank sensor and is on the fly wheel port,
the cam sensor:
its called CMP
and it must signal the cam angles
and 1.6L t kicks will run with dead CKP crank signal. (disty based)

not using a scan tool or scope?, reduces you to a parts swapper. (near hopeless)
ever buy a CMP, i bet not
they are bloody expensive.

never remove the CAS unless you scribe mark it.
some 1999 _ suz, you need factory scanner to re-time ! OOPS?

you need a scan tool the supports up to KPW2000 OBD2 protocol.
RTM
i cant quote 1000 brands of scan tools, never.

some cars will not start with out inputs from both CMP and CKP.
1.6L not true.
2.5L same ,just looked it up. ( you cant gue$$ . ,measure it or use a scan tool . cant fix cars tool free, sorrY)
one shows angle other TDC and direction.
with out angle and direction , it cant start. (classic ASE)
but some suz engines have a dual CMP, that does both and starts. without CKP. ( fsm says this is true for 2.5L)
There are many different ignition systems.

you can log in to alldata for $17 and see how to test both.
im looking now on line in Mitchells.
it says only a Tech1 can set timing base, (just like my 04)
there is no timing freeze jumper in DLC for setting timing pre 1999
sorry, you lost timing.

it shows the CMP , hole, with sensor off, and shows the SLOT.
one end of slot i marked special ,that is TDC #1 firing.
used for setting lash, etc.
idle timing (fixed timing mode of Tech1 is) 11-15deg. BTDC (again out of mitchells)

the cmp signal is 0 to 5v square wave ( even a DMM can see that cranking)
spec is 0-1 for low and 4-6 for a high.
more facts?
P0340 throws for 2 second loss of CMP during cranking.... (sorry your are blind)
po355 dead CKP

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