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Old 09-22-2009, 07:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Sorry I can't be of much help (not too mechanical), but just trying to keep your post to the top, so someone will respond. I searched the forum and found the following answer from a similar situation. (There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on this forum who have helped me with my Tracker on many occasions - I'm sure someone will answer) Following answer was for someone who had similar problem - can't shift when car on, but can when engine off:

CAN you start engine, in gear.?
what does cant mean, you actually cant or the grinding scares you (as it should)

it shifts stopped not running, all that tells, is that the tranny is not siezed up.

i do not under stand your symptoms.? sorry.

let me say this.
the clutch can do many things wrong, nut just slip or lock.
so lets get that out of the way.
lots more !

first off, set your clutch free play to spec. 1/2"
then see if it is ok.
inspect the cable end to end for damage. 5min it takes with a dropped cardboard on wet ground.

test 2
check that cable moves 1 inch as the page shows.
My clutch is sick what is wrong

if cable moves 1 inch, then clutch is bad, if it grinds or wont move.
Mindset:
my process , is from cheap to expensive, hoping all the way it is cheap.

if the cable dont move 1 inch , or more.
then the pedal /cable system is bad in the body. correct that , cheap.

if you find the clutch is bad,
then run it with no free play (1/2" is spec) set it to zero)
now does this help clutch action.
yes, bad clutch. but you have hidden the problem for 1 day to 1 month.
no , clutch is toast.

running zero play will destroy the throw-out bearing. (see photos)
but it allows the old throw out to push the clutch fingers, further.(illegally)

A bad pressure plate (loss of temper) will respond to illegal free play settings.
just for a while. and only some times. (imagine a spring that is old and heat damaged )

that is the whole point of my 1 inch rule.
it dont ever lie. (not in book but saves tons of grief ,huh)

if the clutch is good, then the tranny is bad. (it can be more complex)

when is that last time you drained it and gave it fresh fluid,
it is on the maint. tables.

many here pull the plug and out drains 17 year old gear lube
about 1/4'th the correct amount and looks like TAR.
and full of metal dust.;



failure modes.
cracked or warped disk, (no free play hide this too, sometimes)
warped Pressure plate, cracked PP, heavy scored PP)
cracked PP , springs, or warped or loss of temper.
disc hanging on spline. (for many a reason)_
spine scored.
bad pilot bearing will make car go with clutch pedal to floor.
bad throw out, can do all above and make lots of noise too.
the throwout can collapes and keep progressing.

the list is huge, and i have seem them all.
but no matter , use my 1 inch rule.
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